LBR#253: Packing More Than Fudge!

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TAPED: TUESDAY, APRIL 25
LENGTH: 1:04:59
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SYNOPSIS
Join Wanda as she wades her way through boxes, life, and the importance of not forgetting.

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12 Comments

  1. Comment by Kalvin on April 27, 2006 5:11 pm

    Aw, Auntie Mame. You know, you’re really top drawer, Wanda. A true Upper Richman Girl School Girl. (and I also hope you have lots of decorative books).

  2. Comment by Psyton on April 28, 2006 5:48 am

    Dearest Wanda,

    While I can sympathize with your sentiments on Yahoo turning over the name of the Chinese person who got arrested… I’m not sure you can use it as a lever to condemn China and re-condemn Yahoo.

    I was listening to tWIT when they were discussing it and they brought up some interesting points:

    1. Here, it has apparently been shown that one of the ways the actual terrorists communicate with each other is to use yahoo mail as a drop-box. Write an email, save the draft and don’t send it, give some other bad guy the account name and password, that way information is communicated without leaving an email trace. In those cases, the US too has asked for account information to get evidence. As much as I hate “But otherwise the terrorist wins” stories… this gave me a new light on why the Chinese government would have demanded the information and then used it to prosecute someone.

    2. How much harm to how much good? Yahoo, Google and the internet in general will, I think, greatly help the chinese people. Right now china is 1st world in the cities and 3rd world in the rural areas. But technologies like cars, computers, and cellphones are what is contributing rapidly to rural growth and technology absorption. Yes, it’s distasteful that the government is setting up listening posts on the routers and cell towers… but at the same time, Yahoo, Google, and other US companies have an obligation to follow the laws of the country they are operating in. As much as you and I don’t like rationalizations… I feel that google and yahoo thought they could do a lot of good in addition to just making money, and will ocassionally suffer a request from the Chinese government to turn over information (much like they will when a warrant is served to them here in the US). It’s not them caving to keep cash in the barrels in the foreign land… it’s them obeying the law of the region they are staying in… and I honestly think it would be more despicable if American and European countries went to China thinking they were above China’s laws.

    I mean, I get where you are coming from, but using emotional appeals to the effect of “well god, dammit, they just aren’t as democratic as we are and they have human rights violations, people!” just isn’t that effective on me. I use the products of companies because they are useful to me. I might use their friends and business partners as weigh-ins on whether I use their product over someone elses… but since everyone and their grandma is in china because it is such a huge market, I don’t think I can fault every company and build my own internet applications and automobiles because you didn’t like that google and GM were willing to assist an “evil regime”. I mean, not using flickr is totally your choice… I’m just trying to explain why I wouldn’t let this incident steer me away from it. (besides, I use coppermine to store all my pictures online)

    Couldn’t there be some good in the Chinese seeing massive economic growth and US companies trying to help introduce products to make China, as a whole, better?

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